Battle of the Headless Guitars: Strandberg Boden OS Vs. Kiesel/Carvin Vader

This is far and away the most requested comparison in Gear Gods’ history. Having spent a great deal of time with both the Kiesel/Carvin Vader and the Strandberg Boden OS models, I’m in a pretty good position to compare the two.


If you haven’t read my full reviews and watched their respective accompanying videos, you should do that first – there’s a lot I had to say about each, and it’s a bit more in-depth than what you’ll find below.

The first thing you need to consider is this – both of these guitars are marvels of modern guitar building. I can’t see anyone being anything other than ridiculously ecstatic with either of these guitars, I loved them both. That being said, they are very different in many ways, and it’s important that you get an idea of which one is right for you before you invest a pretty good chunk of change into either of these puppies.

Here’s a chart that should help you right off the bat:

carvin kiesel vader vs strandberg boden os 2

So, there are a lot of factors to consider here. Do you need fanned frets? The Vader doesn’t have them. Do you want to customize any features? The Boden comes as is, love it or leave it. If you want a certain top, neck woods, and a variety of finishes to choose from, the Vader is where it’s at, although if you go crazy with the specs you could wind up spending WAY more than on the Boden. Keep it conservative, and you could easily keep some cash over buying a Strandberg. The Boden is a swamp ash body with a flame maple top, and a maple neck with either a birdseye maple or rosewood fretboard. Both have a 20″ fretboard radius.

One thing that divides many players is bolt-on vs. neck-through construction. Although I do like a neck-through I honestly think it matters less than people think it does, for me the difference is more in the feel than anything else. But if it’s important to you, then it could be the deciding factor as the Boden only comes as a bolt-on and the Vader only as neck-through.

Pickup variety is essentially nil in both models: although Carvin will install any pickups you send them for a fee, the Lithiums come standard and there’s no option on the order form for any others, and the Boden has EMG 707x’s in the 7 string and a Seymour Duncan JB/Jazz set for the 6. Luckily, that’s an easy thing to swap out after the fact if you feel it’s warranted, although I quite liked all three pickup types.

The Boden is a bit lighter than the Vader, although as the Boden is the lightest guitar I’ve personally ever played that’s not much of a contest. With the chambered option the Vader is still very, very light. The forearm contour on the Vader is much more aggressive than the Boden, which is very important for me. I’m of the opinion that a more pronounced forearm slope is the only ergonomic improvement that Strandberg could make at this point, and if I ever get a Made to Measure guitar I’ll be sure to include that.

I will say this: the Kiesels are built better than the OS series Strandbergs. There is a difference between getting a custom made in the USA guitar and one from a Korean factory (although Strandberg’s US based quality control is very good) and I did notice a difference in some of the details. This isn’t to say that the Boden isn’t an extremely well-made guitar, because it is (especially for an import); only that the Kiesels are over the top.

I’m not going to tell you which one is “better” or which one you should buy. I’m merely giving you the information you need to make an informed decision. If you read this whole article, read both reviews and watch both videos, and you still can’t decide, just flip a damn coin. Heads or tails, you’ll wind up a happy camper.

Order a Boden OS here, or a Vader here.

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  • Overall, the Kiesel is the better bang for your buck and the money’s going back into North America to fund more innovation by a great company.

  • There’s no Boden OS 8, so you’re at of luck there ..sadly.

    • They have said that they plan to release it hopefully by the end of the summer.

      It’s the only version of the OS I would consider purchasing.

    • there is now and I played a used one today at Guitarcenter. Very nice guitar and way easier to play than most 8 string full size guitars.

  • i absolutely love my Boden OS 7. the big things that won me over vs a Kiesel were the body cuts and the ergonomic cut on the neck. its insane how comfortable that neck is and how easy it is to play in any position

  • WTF! I stopped reading after Country of origin. How can Strandberg sell their guitars made in South Corea for that price!
    Of course I`ve read until the end, though

    • Because the hardware is the same proprietary hardware used in the high-end guitars, it uses stainless frets and luminlay inlays, and the quality control is done in the USA. When you consider that top-end Korean guitars from companies with off-the-shelf hardware come in around $1200-$1300, $1800 is not unreasonable given the quality and uniqueness of the Strandberg.

      • Vader also has stainless frets and luminlay inlays options. I`ll stick with it so far.

        • The Vader is awesome, but if you’re doing comparable options to the Strandberg — multiscale, five-piece neck, stainless frets, flamed maple top — you’re going to pay a fair bit more for the Vader.

          So it really comes down to whether you prefer Strandberg’s proprietary bridge and Endurneck versus the nicer finish options you’ll get with Carvin. I’ve owned nine Carvins, currently considering a Vader multiscale, but last time I played a guitar with a “normal” neck it felt weird and uncomfortable. A comparably priced Carvin might be prettier, but if you haven’t played a Strandberg, there’s really nothing like it.

          • I wish I could try Strandberg myself before buying, but it`s very rare thing in our country. Same thing with it`s liquidity, in case I won`t like it and decide to sell it.

    • yup that is why I bought a custom Kiesel Vader for my travel guitar.

      • I’m on 1month kinda vacation now and i took ukulele with me Lol. Vader is slightly expensive to be a travel guitar, besides lots of air companies might tell the one to unscrew the neck wich is impossible or they would consider it as a luggage and it’s definitely not an option again

        • it will fit in overhead compartment

        • I’ve flown with many guitars. I check the case, and use a padded gig bag to carry on my guitars, and I have the staff put it in the Suit locker at the front of the cabin.

          I have even done this on crowded international flights. I would never put a guitar in the overhead as other people try to cram as much of their stuff in their as possible. I let the flight attendants handle it and never have had an issue.

          • Thanks for your experience

          • wise tip! That makes sense and would be good way to travel with the Vader guitar.

  • Love the comparison review you have here, but honestly think it needs to be revised a bit… would love to know you’re opinions about the boden os7 vs the vader 7 multiscale. Namely the differences in neck profiles and the fanned frets, since the boden os7’s straight fret is on the 12th and the Vader has theirs on the 9th.

  • What about guitar tone ? I mean in a solid body vs chambered

  • The Strandberg Boden guitars are built now in Indonesia at least the one I played today. The good ones are made in Sweden but cost 4-5k! Kiesel offers way better value and more options for less money.

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